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Is anyone familiar with this book, "Small Scale Grain Raising," by Gene Logsdon?  I ran across this post on it:  http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/02/04/small-scale-grain-raising/

 

Sounds really interesting..I'm thinking about ordering the book.


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I have 3 or 4 of Gene Logsdon's books and I love them all!  I don't have the one you mentioned, but if his other work is an indicator.................


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Dont' know about the book you are talking about, but we are in the process of trying this concept. A local rancher gave us some wheat, according to my Dad we should plant it as a cover crop in one of our beds,thus giving us more wheat and ground cover we need.


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 Hi:  A couple of young farmers here on Vancouver Island have started a project this year in which people can rent a small area on their farm for grain growing.  The renter will plant, weed and harvest the chosen grain and the farmers will do the irrigating.  It is somewhat like community supported agriculture but much less work for the farmers.  They have had a great deal of interest and all the spaces are spoken for.  


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Hey i don't know about the book (will have to look into it) but i have grown grain a couple years now and i love it. Its rather facinating to see all the different types side by side and knowing where your bread etc is comming from and what goes into it. I grow a couple kinds of wheat barley and oats  and i tried kamut but it didn't do as well for me. I am even planning on getting a plot in the local community garden this year so i have enough room to grow enough to use hopefully. If anyone else is in canada and wants to try growing grain definetly look into salt spring seeds. they are fantastic. unfortunately they can't send seeds to the US though. But they have a large selection of varieties. good luck to anyone else if they decide to take on this project.


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 Just did a search for it on Powells.com and Amazon.  It's at collector prices at Amazon ($80.00 used).  Powells is taking preorders for the 2nd edition due to hit the shelves in May at $30.00.

 

Looks interesting.  I've often thought about trying rice, but can never find much on growning it.  I'm sure it's not that hard, but ya never know.


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In a small area, 3 feet by 40 feet , I have grown Teff, Panic grass (Indian millet), amaranth, and now  soon milk thistle seeds and chia.  I harvested 5 lbs of red amaranth seed last Summer.  

 It is too bad we can't grow hemp in this country for it seed richness.  It is grown in Canada extensively.  I think it is important to grow vegitable protein along with our vegitables for a balance.  I tried to get a source for fonio seed from Africa but no success.  Seeker2be


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Hmmm, seems to be an interesting topic and should be have it's own group don't you think?


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Hey I'd be up for a grain growing group. I think it would be great sharing with other ppls that are trying to do the same thing I am.


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Yeah, I'd be up for a grain-growing group, too. But since I've never tried growing grain before (except for amaranth...and it was mostly for the birds), I probably wouldn't be a good person to start the group. Growing wheat as a cover crop sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how it would work in Zone 5. What's going on on Vancouver Island with people working parts of of a wheat crop is fantastic! That would probably go over well in Illinois, if we can convince more farmers to grow something besides corn and soybeans...

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I used yellow clover in my raised beds last year to improve the soil. I thought it might help attract bees as well but I didn't notice more than usual. I'm considering just broadcasting some seed in the vacant field next to us which is just over grown with weeds and brush. This clover smells wonderful and would be an improvement! I'm wondering if it would be good feed for any animals? Maybe rabbits.

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whoops...entered too soon. The grain I've wanted to grow is Amaranth. It seems rather large though and I wonder if anyone has grown it in a small space? My beds are 4' x 4'. Would it be worth it?

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I'm going to try amaranth for the first time in not much more space than 4'x4', so I hope it's worth it. Why not? Greens, a bit of grain, and I can grow it in my front yard. About the Logsdon book, it is very informative, and I would recommend buying the new edition if you can't find the old. Logsdon's style is casual, informative, and opinionated; if you haven't read his work, you should. Here's a link: http://organictobe.org/index.php/category/gene-logsdon-blog/

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I planted "red Hopi dye" amaranth about 3 years ago. My garden is about 10 x 20 ft., and I planted it in one 10 ft. row. I found it easy to grow, and it's absolutely beautiful! The birds loved it, and I also used it for fall decorations. Didn't mill any of the grain, though. Now I don't have to plant it any more, because I have volunteers in the garden every year...some of which I let grow up. I don't mind interesting volunteers in the garden (I tend to be a not-very-tidy gardener ;) But some might not welcome the amaranth "weeds" in the garden.

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Wow, thanks for the link, Marlin. What a great blog! I know I'm going to enjoy reading Gene's and others' posts.

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I have the book along with several other of Gene's. He is one of my favorite garden writers, very down to earth and usually has done exactly what he's writing about. glad to hear they are revising that book, I'll be on the look out for the new edition. But the old one has been pretty useful. He gives you some indication as to how much of different grains are required to raise different animals too. Another really good one from him is "Organic Orcharding, a Grove of Trees to Live In" The link to Organic to be is also great; Rosalind Creasy, 'mother of edible landescaping' is also on that site.

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I have that Grain book you are refering too Mecar. Found it at a used book store, oldie, but only like 4-5 dollars. I would definitely grow some amaranth, if you are wanting to grow some, in a 4 x 4 spot. if the soil is worth anything the plants will get taller than you though, so you will be able to grow a few to see what it is like. I used one of those disc snow sleds to prep my seeds at harvest; came in very handy. Now to try growing some other grains. I talked to my neighbor and he has grown some soft winter wheat so I'm inspired to try some wheat...just won't be as nice for lighter textured bread as the hard what. ;o) I would also like to try millet I think...but I'm not sure how do thresh it...............how doyou get the hulls off to eat the stuff once you've grown it? a talk group of grain growing would be interesting and fun. would be nice to have peopl join us that have more experience...but alas, we can grow and experiment together if they don't!!!!!

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What about dent corn? Anyone grow significant crops of corn for grinding?

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Dent corn is something that I wanted to try this year! I however have not found any seed yet. Do you know of a reputable source to get it from?

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I grew Oaxacan green dent corn a few years ago. It did really well...until we had a freakishly wet autumn and it got all moldy while it was "drying." I was so heartbroken that I've never tried to grow it again. I was so excited about making green grits. I grew amaranth in the garden a few years ago -- but I just ate the baby leaves, I didn't harvest the seed. Those of you who harvest the seed, would you consider sharing your recipes?


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I've decided to try to grow a very small amount of wheat this year in my garden. I started looking in my seed catalogs (of which I have _many_), and either wasn't able to find much in the way of wheat, or found that they were selling wheat primarily as a cover crop. From what I understand, farmers in Illinois typically sow wheat in the fall so that they can get a harvest in to leave time to mature a second crop (usually of soybeans) on the same field. But I'd like to sow my wheat in the spring. That should work, shouldn't it? I'm not so interested in squeezing in a second crop after my wheat matures. So in looking for wheat seeds online, I found this source: http://www.prseeds.ca/catalogue/grain.php?C=Grain#wheat Would anyone like to split a seed order from these guys with me? Or does anyone have any extra wheat seed, or wheat seed to trade?

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there are wheat varieties specific for fall/winter growing and then there are spring wheats. I too want to grow some wheat, I might try both types...I plan to try to call and get some answers from places like Bountiful Gardens...maybe try your source too Mecar.

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sdecoeur wrote...
Dent corn is something that I wanted to try this year! I however have not found any seed yet. Do you know of a reputable source to get it from?

 

You can order it from bakers creek  or seed savers exchange but you can also get at least a variety or two from some  local farmers co-ops or feed stores.  The last time I asked ours still stocked hickory cane - which is supposed to be great for tasty meal, and I know it's good for roasting ears if you pick it young - not sweet, but still good. 


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Thank you DavidLaFerney! If I don't find it at my local feed store I will try Bakers Creek.

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you could try local feed store, but I did that with general stuff last year...the seed germination rates were poor and also the seed wasn't pure when I grew them out I new they had cross pollinated. FEDCO seeds has a good selection of seed corn varieties; and they test their corn to make sure nothing GMO about them. Haven't tried them in a long time, but I would think Native Seeds would also be a good source.

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Hello again.  I'm still on the amaranth quest.  I am finding amaranth seed, but not the type to be grown for grain.  I think what I'm looking for is a light color like yellow and not red.  The type best used for cereal and flour.

 

Does anyone know where I can purchase it?

 

Also, I did find out that chickens like sorghum (which is a grain) and it is supposed to be easy to grow.  In case anyone is interested in growing chicken feed.  Millet also.


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I have also thought about growing some grain this year, in particular some quinoa. I found a seed supplier, but it wasn't as easy as you would think. As for the wheat, amaranth, etc, the best supplier I have seen was actually an Ace Hardware franchise in downtown Henderson , Kentucky. They had maybe a dozen types of grain that had been coated in various dyes which it turns out are some chemical to help the grain. Not organic, but they had a variety and it was affordable. Note that they packets are larger and may be more to ship than other seeds, if you find them. I seriously recommend a trip to a hardware store or two in a rural area. They have a LOT of things you would never suspect a store actually carried.

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We have Agway that sells quite a bit to local farmers and they just might have it. Hadn't thought of them.

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I just ordered amaranth seeds from Baker Creek.  They have a wide variety.  I went with those that said they were big producers.  We'll see how it goes.  I'm looking forward to making amaranth tortillas for veggie sandwich wraps.

 

 

 

 

 


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Bountiful gardens carries a lot of different grains, put up in small packages, usually enough for planting 50 to 100 sq feet of intensive bed. They even have Einkhorn, a wheat from the stoneage.

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Thank you for the seed company information. I found everything I was looking for! Both Bountiful and Baker Creek are great sites.

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Yeah, I ended up ordering "hard red spring wheat" from Bountiful Gardens.

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Very cool mecar, you have to share pics of you threshing.

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Native Seeds (mentioned in a previous post on this thread) is another source for amaranth seed. I have used all three recommended mail-order sources (Native Seeds, Bountiful Gardens, and Baker Creek) in the past with good germination rates, though not for grain threshing, only for grain-plant cover crops and for non-grain crops.

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MaryinAZ wrote...
Bountiful gardens carries a lot of different grains, put up in small packages, usually enough for planting 50 to 100 sq feet of intensive bed. They even have Einkhorn, a wheat from the stoneage.

 

Just be careful if you're growing rye. They can get a funny fungus on them that causes hallucinations and death.

http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/wong/BOT135/LECT12.HTM

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot


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Johnny select seeds sale wheat, oats barley

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Sowed the wheat seeds last weekend. Will let everyone know how it goes.

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Here's an interesting article about the Land Institue in Kansas breeding new varieties of grains that will require less tilling, etc. : http://yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=3279 Seems like grain raising meets permaculture! Does anyone know anything more about the Land Institute? I've known about this organization for several years. They seem to be kind of on the fringes of ecological science (that's my field)...kind of where ecology meets sustainable agriculture. Anyone have any other 'takes' on this organization?

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MarlinS wrote...
I'm going to try amaranth for the first time in not much more space than 4'x4', so I hope it's worth it. Why not? Greens, a bit of grain, and I can grow it in my front yard. About the Logsdon book, it is very informative, and I would recommend buying the new edition if you can't find the old. Logsdon's style is casual, informative, and opinionated; if you haven't read his work, you should. Here's a link: http://organictobe.org/index.php/category/gene-logsdon-blog/

hello all,

Keep us posted about the amaranth---I would love to be able to grow it. It is normally expensive in the stores. And yes, thanks for the link.

 

Do you have any more tips for grain growing in a small space??

 

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My wheat has been doing well, and I'm starting to eye it while wondering when and how to harvest it. Here's what I found:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2149098_harvest-wheat-hand.html
So tomorrow I'll go out and evaluate the status of the seeds--it may not be quite ready to harvest. Anyone have any advice on harvesting wheat by hand? Oh, and I also have some amaranth that may be ready about the same time. I'll explore ways to combine the two (in bread?).

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Here's a post from someone who's raised buckwheat: http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/09/30/buckwheat/
Reading her post reminded me that I hadn't threshed our wheat yet. It was still hanging in the garage. So this afternoon I threshed and winnowed it. Now this i _small scale_ grain raising! One row of wheat yielded a half cup of wheat grain. Tonight I started grinding the wheat using a _mortar and pestle_! It'll take a while...it's something to do while the TV's on. I'm not in a hurry... ;)

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Would love to have some buckwheat... But from what I know, they don't yield very well.

Also would like to have chick peas but most are hybridized. They also are not very high yielding. :(

Where I live it's warm enough in the winter so I may just grow it (buckwheat) as a composting crop/cover crop. From yield standpoint I think I want to try amaranth instead. No bread from that but we do love pasta. So first thing for me is to go buy a bag of amaranth flour and see how the pasta turns out. I think I may have enough space to grow about 20 pounds of amaranth. If its more than good enough for third world country, its more than good enough for us. High yield, low maintenance... what is there not to like? What I don't understand is, if it is ideal for third world country, why isn't it ideal for first world countries like ours?




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The forums seem to get a lot of traffic here at Freedom Gardens, but some groups that discuss the same topic may not get the same attention. In case anyone missed it, I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this Freedom Garden group (and this particular posting) regarding some very interesting small scale grain growing they are doing in Mass. Maybe others can get a similar program started in their own neighborhood.

Little Red Hen Wheat Project

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Great post. What a great idea!

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I want to plant red wheat in my "bean" bed while the colder weather provides actual precipitation... but it's unprotected from the jays, squirrels, and 'coons, and their constant grubbing in all my beds (fenced in or not!) is making me timorous. I should really just get out there and do it - it's not like a handful or two of wheat berries is going to break me if the experiment flops.